David Icke
Below is a draft, un-edited extract from the new version of Conspiracy Files released in England, Wales and Scotland this week.
DAVID ICKE
Few figures in the world of conspiracy theory research cause more polar extremes of reaction than David Icke. Like some types of food, it seems you either love or loathe him. There does not seem to be any neutral ground where Icke is concerned.
Many sober, serious parapolitics investigators who hate any mention of aliens, secret occult societies and long-disproved mega-conspiracies blaming all the world’s ills on just one group will froth at the mouth if he is mentioned. At the other end of the conspiracy spectrum among those who have rejected most ideas relating to consensual reality, he is hailed as a hero. To this group, his talk of the late British Queen Mother being a form of humanoid reptilian existing at a higher dimensional level is a sign of bravery, not a sign he should be restricted to a lunatic asylum.
In my former role as a journalist, I have interviewed David Icke and formed my own opinion on him. Given Icke’s profile in conspiracy circles, it also has been hard to miss his often apparently bizarre statements and interesting speculations. However, in 2004, something happened that changed my view of David Icke and his self-proclaimed role since 1990 to expose “who and what is really controlling the world.”
Every researcher into conspiracies and parapolitics should have at least a couple of spooks – agents of the secret services – amongst their sources of information. While you have to expect a certain amount of disinformation alongside the usual bar room bragging, spooks are often able to provide interesting leads and help confirm the veracity of information. It was while drinking with a spook in a London bar I first learned Icke was the victim of an odd rumour campaign. Although I had met my source to gain help in confirming whether the CIA had sunk a ship in the river Thames in 1964, my spook contact brought up the subject of Icke.
During the course of the next few minutes he outlined an outlandish conspiracy theory in which he claimed David Icke was working for MI5. The source claimed Icke was deliberately promoting fantastic assertions that the bloodlines of powerful families such as those of President Bush and Queen Elizabeth II were linked to reptilian humanoids to purposefully discredit the whole field of conspiracy research. By making such peculiar claims, his alleged paymasters hoped more straightforward areas of conspiracy investigation would be tainted with an air of the ludicrous in the eyes of the public.
At first I took this as a one-off comment, a peculiar aberration from a usually reliable source. However, other authors had heard similar whispers. In fact, some conspiracy theorists had already begun publicly discussing claims of Icke’s involvement with the British security services. When talking about the issue they made the reasonable point that MI5 have a track record of infiltrating the conspiracy community. MI5 do this partly as they need to keep track on certain rampant crypto-fascists within parapolitical research and partly because it is wise to monitor those trying to monitor you. As the CIA have shown over the years in ufology, it can also often be useful to use a conspiracy theorist to discredit a subject and spread misleading rumours.
If there were a secretly orchestrated campaign to make David Icke look like a MI5 puppet, it would only be the latest instalment in a life that often looks like the unfolding of a surreal soap opera. David Icke had certainly made an incredible journey. His first career was as a professional footballer, keeping goal for Coventry City before a leg injury finished his playing days. He turned to journalism and eventually became a sports reporter and then anchorman for the BBC. At the height of his fame, he left television to become an activist for the Green Party. In 1990, Icke received a number of messages from a medium. When he revealed these to colleagues in the Green Party he was banned from speaking on their behalf. By 1991 he had gone public with a number of his controversial views – such as his “I am a channel for the Christ spirit” – and became a subject of national public ridicule.
Although it is acknowledged by many researchers that Icke has unearthed some interesting facts to support some of his conspiracy ideas on areas such as 9/11, he has also often relied on material thoroughly disproved to have a basis in reality. He has repeated claims made by a man called Mark Phillips about the existence of a mind control programme to produce child sexual slaves for senior US politicians. Needless to say, Mark Phillips has never been able to produce any objective proofs of his claims or even his alleged career in the CIA. It is hard to doubt that Icke’s promotion of these views along with his talk of reptilian humanoids has cast a shadow of media derision over some elements of conspiracy research.
THE STRANGE PART
If as many like to portray him, David Icke were a mere lunatic who has wandered so far off the map of reality he is almost beyond ridicule, why would anyone bother to indulge in a campaign to undermine him? Surely his quoting of highly dubious sources and belief in the reality of hyper-dimensional reptilian humanoids raise enough obstacles to creditability for the average person exposed to his work? It is strange the slander about him being an agent of disinformation seems designed to cause most harm to his reputation with the thousands of people who buy his books and attend his public lectures. If Icke is a threat to no-one and speaking rubbish, who would bother to try and further denigrate his reputation?
THE USUAL SUSPECTS
REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS
Some conspiriologists back David Icke’s ideas about the world being controlled by higher-dimensional reptilian humanoids working through the prominent families and secret societies. They claim any slander or attempt to smear Icke is the work of these reptilian humanoids working through their global network of human agents.
BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY
Icke has made repeated claims that some members of British royal family we perceive as human are in fact secretly lizard people. If you were in the position of power enjoyed by Queen Elizabeth II and were fed up with a former footballer calling you and your late mother lizards, what would you do? Get agents in your security services to try and discredit the miscreant perhaps?
MI5
Fed up with Icke accusing them of working on behalf of lizard paymasters and sticking his nose into their operations, MI5 may have spontaneously taken it upon themselves to start rumours about one thing they knew would hurt any conspiracy researcher – working for them.
THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS
LEFT-WING CONSPIRIOLOGISTS
Conspiracy researchers with a left-wing bias have regularly attacked Icke for bringing ridicule to the whole field of parapolitcal research. They have also criticised his links to authors such Eustace Mullins who once wrote a book entitled ‘The Biological Jew’. A secret cabal of left-wing conspiriologists would certainly seem to have motivation for orchestrating a campaign against Icke.
ANTI-JEWISH DEFAMATION CAMPAIGNERS
Numerous anti-Jewish defamation groups have accused Icke of anti-Semitism. They have protested at his conferences, thrown custard pies at him and claimed when he talks about lizards, he is really talking about Jews. Icke has always rigorously denied their allegations and they have not impacted on his growing popularity. Could elements of anti-Jewish defamation groups have changed tactics in an attempt to discredit someone they view as dangerously anti-Semite?
MOST CONVINCING EVIDENCE
In the years following Icke’s public ridicule in 1991, he has recovered some of his reputation. He was the subject of the 2007 TV documentary David Icke: Was He Right? and The Waterboys’s song ‘Sympathy For David Icke’ was written in his honour. Icke has produced more than 20 books on spirituality and his belief in a global conspiracy, attracting a worldwide following for his ideas. It was only after a growing number of people began to take seriously his pronouncements about 9/11 and the ‘War on Terror’ being the result of a conspiracy that rumours about him being an agent of disinformation began. It was also only at the point he was enjoying a new surge in popularity that he faced other obstacles to promoting his views such as a legal fight for ownership of 16 books he had written.
MOST MYSTERIOUS FACT
Several conspiratorial predictions made by Icke have ended up looking like prophecy. In January 2001 he wrote: ‘Don’t be surprised if the United States finds itself in another manipulated war during this administration. You will see monsters being created in the public mind to justify such action’ also adding ‘before 2002 the United States will suffer a major attack on a large city’. He had already predicted in 1998: ‘There will a plan to start a Third World War by stimulating the Muslim world into a holy war against the West.’
SCEPTICALLY SPEAKING
Stripped of its stranger trappings, David Icke’s message seems to be we should wake to the lies told by our leaders and defeat the ills of the world through love. It is easy to see how anyone preaching that humanity is systematically exploited, hypnotised by television and needs love to overthrow the illusions holding it prisoner could be seen as a dangerous radical by those in power. It would be far more suspicious if there were no trace of an anti-David Icke campaign – that really would smack of him being either totally irrelevant or acting on hidden orders. Besides, to be slandered by some conspiriologists and British spooks should be taken as huge badge of honour.
DAVID ICKE
Few figures in the world of conspiracy theory research cause more polar extremes of reaction than David Icke. Like some types of food, it seems you either love or loathe him. There does not seem to be any neutral ground where Icke is concerned.
Many sober, serious parapolitics investigators who hate any mention of aliens, secret occult societies and long-disproved mega-conspiracies blaming all the world’s ills on just one group will froth at the mouth if he is mentioned. At the other end of the conspiracy spectrum among those who have rejected most ideas relating to consensual reality, he is hailed as a hero. To this group, his talk of the late British Queen Mother being a form of humanoid reptilian existing at a higher dimensional level is a sign of bravery, not a sign he should be restricted to a lunatic asylum.
In my former role as a journalist, I have interviewed David Icke and formed my own opinion on him. Given Icke’s profile in conspiracy circles, it also has been hard to miss his often apparently bizarre statements and interesting speculations. However, in 2004, something happened that changed my view of David Icke and his self-proclaimed role since 1990 to expose “who and what is really controlling the world.”
Every researcher into conspiracies and parapolitics should have at least a couple of spooks – agents of the secret services – amongst their sources of information. While you have to expect a certain amount of disinformation alongside the usual bar room bragging, spooks are often able to provide interesting leads and help confirm the veracity of information. It was while drinking with a spook in a London bar I first learned Icke was the victim of an odd rumour campaign. Although I had met my source to gain help in confirming whether the CIA had sunk a ship in the river Thames in 1964, my spook contact brought up the subject of Icke.
During the course of the next few minutes he outlined an outlandish conspiracy theory in which he claimed David Icke was working for MI5. The source claimed Icke was deliberately promoting fantastic assertions that the bloodlines of powerful families such as those of President Bush and Queen Elizabeth II were linked to reptilian humanoids to purposefully discredit the whole field of conspiracy research. By making such peculiar claims, his alleged paymasters hoped more straightforward areas of conspiracy investigation would be tainted with an air of the ludicrous in the eyes of the public.
At first I took this as a one-off comment, a peculiar aberration from a usually reliable source. However, other authors had heard similar whispers. In fact, some conspiracy theorists had already begun publicly discussing claims of Icke’s involvement with the British security services. When talking about the issue they made the reasonable point that MI5 have a track record of infiltrating the conspiracy community. MI5 do this partly as they need to keep track on certain rampant crypto-fascists within parapolitical research and partly because it is wise to monitor those trying to monitor you. As the CIA have shown over the years in ufology, it can also often be useful to use a conspiracy theorist to discredit a subject and spread misleading rumours.
If there were a secretly orchestrated campaign to make David Icke look like a MI5 puppet, it would only be the latest instalment in a life that often looks like the unfolding of a surreal soap opera. David Icke had certainly made an incredible journey. His first career was as a professional footballer, keeping goal for Coventry City before a leg injury finished his playing days. He turned to journalism and eventually became a sports reporter and then anchorman for the BBC. At the height of his fame, he left television to become an activist for the Green Party. In 1990, Icke received a number of messages from a medium. When he revealed these to colleagues in the Green Party he was banned from speaking on their behalf. By 1991 he had gone public with a number of his controversial views – such as his “I am a channel for the Christ spirit” – and became a subject of national public ridicule.
Although it is acknowledged by many researchers that Icke has unearthed some interesting facts to support some of his conspiracy ideas on areas such as 9/11, he has also often relied on material thoroughly disproved to have a basis in reality. He has repeated claims made by a man called Mark Phillips about the existence of a mind control programme to produce child sexual slaves for senior US politicians. Needless to say, Mark Phillips has never been able to produce any objective proofs of his claims or even his alleged career in the CIA. It is hard to doubt that Icke’s promotion of these views along with his talk of reptilian humanoids has cast a shadow of media derision over some elements of conspiracy research.
THE STRANGE PART
If as many like to portray him, David Icke were a mere lunatic who has wandered so far off the map of reality he is almost beyond ridicule, why would anyone bother to indulge in a campaign to undermine him? Surely his quoting of highly dubious sources and belief in the reality of hyper-dimensional reptilian humanoids raise enough obstacles to creditability for the average person exposed to his work? It is strange the slander about him being an agent of disinformation seems designed to cause most harm to his reputation with the thousands of people who buy his books and attend his public lectures. If Icke is a threat to no-one and speaking rubbish, who would bother to try and further denigrate his reputation?
THE USUAL SUSPECTS
REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS
Some conspiriologists back David Icke’s ideas about the world being controlled by higher-dimensional reptilian humanoids working through the prominent families and secret societies. They claim any slander or attempt to smear Icke is the work of these reptilian humanoids working through their global network of human agents.
BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY
Icke has made repeated claims that some members of British royal family we perceive as human are in fact secretly lizard people. If you were in the position of power enjoyed by Queen Elizabeth II and were fed up with a former footballer calling you and your late mother lizards, what would you do? Get agents in your security services to try and discredit the miscreant perhaps?
MI5
Fed up with Icke accusing them of working on behalf of lizard paymasters and sticking his nose into their operations, MI5 may have spontaneously taken it upon themselves to start rumours about one thing they knew would hurt any conspiracy researcher – working for them.
THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS
LEFT-WING CONSPIRIOLOGISTS
Conspiracy researchers with a left-wing bias have regularly attacked Icke for bringing ridicule to the whole field of parapolitcal research. They have also criticised his links to authors such Eustace Mullins who once wrote a book entitled ‘The Biological Jew’. A secret cabal of left-wing conspiriologists would certainly seem to have motivation for orchestrating a campaign against Icke.
ANTI-JEWISH DEFAMATION CAMPAIGNERS
Numerous anti-Jewish defamation groups have accused Icke of anti-Semitism. They have protested at his conferences, thrown custard pies at him and claimed when he talks about lizards, he is really talking about Jews. Icke has always rigorously denied their allegations and they have not impacted on his growing popularity. Could elements of anti-Jewish defamation groups have changed tactics in an attempt to discredit someone they view as dangerously anti-Semite?
MOST CONVINCING EVIDENCE
In the years following Icke’s public ridicule in 1991, he has recovered some of his reputation. He was the subject of the 2007 TV documentary David Icke: Was He Right? and The Waterboys’s song ‘Sympathy For David Icke’ was written in his honour. Icke has produced more than 20 books on spirituality and his belief in a global conspiracy, attracting a worldwide following for his ideas. It was only after a growing number of people began to take seriously his pronouncements about 9/11 and the ‘War on Terror’ being the result of a conspiracy that rumours about him being an agent of disinformation began. It was also only at the point he was enjoying a new surge in popularity that he faced other obstacles to promoting his views such as a legal fight for ownership of 16 books he had written.
MOST MYSTERIOUS FACT
Several conspiratorial predictions made by Icke have ended up looking like prophecy. In January 2001 he wrote: ‘Don’t be surprised if the United States finds itself in another manipulated war during this administration. You will see monsters being created in the public mind to justify such action’ also adding ‘before 2002 the United States will suffer a major attack on a large city’. He had already predicted in 1998: ‘There will a plan to start a Third World War by stimulating the Muslim world into a holy war against the West.’
SCEPTICALLY SPEAKING
Stripped of its stranger trappings, David Icke’s message seems to be we should wake to the lies told by our leaders and defeat the ills of the world through love. It is easy to see how anyone preaching that humanity is systematically exploited, hypnotised by television and needs love to overthrow the illusions holding it prisoner could be seen as a dangerous radical by those in power. It would be far more suspicious if there were no trace of an anti-David Icke campaign – that really would smack of him being either totally irrelevant or acting on hidden orders. Besides, to be slandered by some conspiriologists and British spooks should be taken as huge badge of honour.
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posted by David at 11:12 PM
11 Comments:
Really interesting. This article did not go the direction I first thought it would. Seems they don't really know *what* to think of or do with David Icke. Except hope that he doesn't get too many people thinking for themselves.
After reading the main part of the article with wide eyes, i came upon this:
THE STRANGE PART
I'm sorry, but that really cracked me up. As if the loony bin stuff in the beginning wasn't strange?
You may not write humour as often as I, but when you do its a joy to behold.
I've a stray tear in my eye and I think if I tried to read it aloud I wouldn't be able to finish without losing it completely.
Icke has certainly always struck me as several fish short of a supper, but you've got a good point between the lines there -- it's entirely possible to be howling mad, and still be onto a thick vein of truth. I'm reminded of the Agent Chips character in Illuminatus!, who is utterly delusional, and wrapping an awful lot of accurate stuff into a completely barmy framework...
On an entirely unrelated note, I stumbled across this awesome Lovecraft/Sendak visual pastiche yesterday -- "Where The Great Old Ones Are". I think you might appreciate it... :)
I have never heard of David Icke, but have heard the reptilian theory. However, I didn't take it in a physical sense, but more of a personality trait?
Icke usually mentions in his talks that all he is doing is offering 'information' about which people can make up their own minds and is not telling people what to think, which is a damn sight more honest than nearly every other media outlet.
I think that he genuinely believes the 'information' he offers; and people will make up their own minds about it as they do about everything else in life, they will think what they think according to many different imprints and results of conditioning, and probably not through some casual interest in a TV show or book.
However, I have often wondered whether Icke is astute enough to be using the reptilian/bloodline angle as a cover behind which he can spread his more down-to-earth conspiracy info to a wider audience without incurring too much interference from the PTB who leave him alone as 'that nutter who thinks the Queen's a lizard'.
I have read a few of his books over the years an remain open minded in that direction. Usually you can use your own bullshit detector even when reading the Daily Telegraph and others which has more of it than any Icke book...
I am undecided but think its more relevant than the garbage we are spoon fed through the media and the Murdoch controlled jounralism of today...now they are crazy.
I have a love-hate of David Icke. Mostly love, weirdly. I love crazy people. They make life interesting.
One of his books was the first thing I ever read when I dropped out of 'normal' society when I was 20.
And if it wasn't for the 'fact' that I've seen those fucking lizard-people myself once or twice, I'd be amused. ;-)
Yes, you take his general message, and it's pretty sound. Question authority, and love people. That's something nobody can disagree with, and I'm glad you put it in that perspective.
I'm not sure scaring the gullible is the way to go though, you still can encourage love and freedom of thought, without the paranoia.
I think Icke's message is ultimately for the good in spite of some exagerrated and sensational elements. He was the first person I read on this material and I was very skeptical at first, but in the end I couldn't deny that some of what he said rang true. I think Henrik on RedIce mentioned that the reptilian theory was really a litmus test that caused people to either reject the entirety of his information as false, or keep digging. I'm glad I kept digging.
9/11 opened my eyes and mind. I knew something was wrong. I had much anxiety the following months, after that tragic day. That December I encountered my first David Icke book (The Biggest Secret). I knew it was correct because I had come to many of the same conclusion as Icke had (through my own research). Anyone who takes the time to do a little research will see for themselves the truth. The Truth Shall Set You Free. MR.
Thank goodness I there are others who take David Icke seriously, a serious danger to democracy that is. After posting a couple of posts into my own msn group "The Watchers" http://groups.msn.com/WatchersThe I thought I would check to see if there were any anti David Icke site. What a relief, I have put it with my favourites and may also include it in a future post on The Watchers. (We meet in the "Angel Inn" :-)
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